Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

04/19/2007 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 170 INSURANCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 170(FIN) Out of Committee
+ HB 176 CREATE FORT ROUSSEAU CAUSEWAY PARK TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 176(RES) Out of Committee
+ SB 123 PUBLIC EMP./TEACHERS/JUDGES EMP. BENEFITS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 123(FIN) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
2:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 123(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating  to the public employees'  and teachers'                                                                   
     defined  benefit  retirement   plans;  relating  to  the                                                                   
     public  employees'  and teachers'  defined  contribution                                                                   
     retirement  plans; relating  to the judicial  retirement                                                                   
     system;   relating    to   the   health    reimbursement                                                                   
     arrangement  plan   for  certain  teachers   and  public                                                                   
     employees;   relating  to   the  supplemental   employee                                                                   
     benefit  program;  relating  to  the  public  employees'                                                                   
     deferred   compensation  program;   relating  to   group                                                                   
     insurance  for  public employees  and  retirees;  making                                                                   
     conforming  amendments; and  providing for an  effective                                                                   
     date.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker   MOVED  to  ADOPT  work   draft  #25-                                                                   
GS1004\M,  Chenoweth, 4/17/07,  as  the version  of the  bill                                                                   
before  the Committee.    There being  NO  OBJECTION, it  was                                                                   
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE  KREITZER,   COMMISSIONER  DESIGNEE,   DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
ADMINISTRATION, introduced the retirement manager, Ms. Lea.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  LEA, RETIREMENT  MANAGER, DIVISION  OF RETIREMENT  AND                                                                   
BENEFITS,  DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION,  distributed  a copy                                                                   
of  the presentation,  Technical  Bill  Overview.   (Copy  on                                                                   
File),  which provides  a highlight  of the  bill; a more  in                                                                   
depth view can  be found in the sectional analysis.   Many of                                                                   
the provisions are  currently in place.  SB  123 carries many                                                                   
provisions from  last session's, HB  475.  The bill  has been                                                                   
reviewed  by  the  Department   of  Law  &  the  Division  of                                                                   
Retirement and Benefits.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The purpose  of the bill  is to insure  that the  benefits of                                                                   
the Contribution  Retirement Plan  are provided as  they were                                                                   
intended by  the Legislature.   It updates provisions  of the                                                                   
Defined  Benefit Plan  (DB) for compliance  with the  Federal                                                                   
Pension  Protection  Act  of  1986.   The  Division  will  be                                                                   
submitting an application for  requalification of the DB Plan                                                                   
in 2008.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lea  pointed out  that the bill  also amends  and/or adds                                                                   
sections  to provide  for the  appropriate administration  of                                                                   
the plan.  The legislation is divided into three areas.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  ·    Changes to the defined contribution retirement plan                                                                      
   ·    Changes to the defined benefit plan                                                                                     
   ·    Administrative and accounting changes                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:54:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lea   explained   that  the  changes   to  the   Defined                                                                   
Contribution Retirement Plan (DC) are:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Occupational    disability    and    death    benefit                                                                   
        administration and funding                                                                                              
   ·    Employer participation                                                                                                  
   ·    Member participation                                                                                                    
   ·    Internal Revenue Code (IRC) contribution limits                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lea noted  that funding  was inserted  for the  Teachers                                                                   
Retirement  System (TRS)  but  not for  the Public  Employees                                                                   
Retirement  System  (PERS).    She  pointed  out  the  annual                                                                   
inflation proofing,  providing the  lesser of 75%  disability                                                                   
or a 50% survivor rate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lea listed characteristics  of the occupational death and                                                                   
disability:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Periods of disability and survivor benefits                                                                             
        constitute membership service for retirement/medical                                                                    
        eligibility                                                                                                             
   ·    Members or survivors are not entitled to individual                                                                     
        accounts until retirement                                                                                               
   ·    Medical cost share at normal retirement, regardless                                                                     
        of age.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:58:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lea  noted  that  the  employer  participation  provides                                                                   
participation   and  termination   authority  for   new  PERS                                                                   
employers;  it   establishes  a  time  limit   on  conversion                                                                   
election period  for employees; and assigns  employer retiree                                                                   
health  contributions  to the  Alaska Retiree  Health  Trust.                                                                   
The   bill  addresses   member   participation,  adding   the                                                                   
Governor,  Lieutenant Governor  & Legislators  as members  of                                                                   
the DC  plan.  It  clarifies that DB  members, hiring  with a                                                                   
new DC-only employer, participates in the DC plan.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:01:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The bill also clarifies that a  former DB member who does not                                                                   
reinstate  service before  July 1,  2010, will  be a DC  plan                                                                   
member if reemployed  after that date.  It  specifies how the                                                                   
IRC & 415© limit affects payment  of the conversion match for                                                                   
DB to DC transfers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The IRC compliance allows:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Disabled members to receive 100% vested in employer                                                                     
        contributions                                                                                                           
   ·    Survivor retirement benefit funded from Occupational                                                                    
        D&D fund                                                                                                                
   ·    USERRA Compliance                                                                                                       
   ·    415©, contribution limits of the contributions on                                                                       
        behalf of the survivors and voluntary employee                                                                          
        contributions                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The Defined Benefit Plan.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The Pension  Protection Act  updates rollover provisions  and                                                                   
includes  a  ROTH IRA  as  of  January,  2008; it  allows  an                                                                   
alternate  payee to  rollover  contributions  and requires  a                                                                   
rollover of  pre/post tax contributions  to be  accounted for                                                                   
separately by the receiving plan.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lea discussed that the employer  participation would be a                                                                   
normal cost  and past  service rates  apply to total  payroll                                                                   
dollars,  while   establishing  a  deadline   for  terminated                                                                   
employers to  pay termination costs.   It allows the  plan to                                                                   
intercept  other  State  funds  for  payments  of  delinquent                                                                   
contributions  and  codifies the  use  of forfeitures  to  be                                                                   
applied  to future employer  contributions.   It repeals  the                                                                   
ability  to  reinstate  service  for  conditional  or  public                                                                   
service benefits as  of July 2010.  DB members  who hire with                                                                   
a DC only  employer, participates  in the DC plan  and former                                                                   
DB members who do not reinstate  by July 2010, are DC members                                                                   
upon rehiring.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In regard  to new  trusts, the  Alaska retiree health  trusts                                                                   
are:                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  ·    Alaska Retirement Management Board (ARMB) Trustees                                                                       
   ·    Commissioner of Administration                                                                                          
   ·    Receives ER health contributions                                                                                        
   ·    Pays retiree medical premiums                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  administrative   language  removes  National   Education                                                                   
Association (NEA) as an eligible  employer and removes Social                                                                   
Security tax  wage base  cap from  the employee and  employer                                                                   
contribution.  It conforms the  administrator's duties across                                                                   
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lea   noted  that   in  the  administrative   functions,                                                                   
authority is returned  to the Commissioner of  the Department                                                                   
of Administration  to adopt regulations for  the Supplemental                                                                   
Benefits System  (SBS), DC &  Health Reimbursement  Act (HRA)                                                                   
plans.   It provides  the Office  of Administrative  Hearings                                                                   
(OAH)  authority to  hear appeals  for  the SBS,  DC and  HRA                                                                   
plans and  provides OAH authority  to hear PERS/TRS  requests                                                                   
for waivers of adjustment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lea summarized the bill:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Allows the State to administer benefits intended by                                                                     
        the Legislature                                                                                                         
   ·    Provides funding mechanisms for all benefits                                                                            
   ·    Addresses IRC requirements                                                                                              
   ·    Removes administrative ambiguities                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:15:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   LAMB,   (TESTIFIED   VIA   TELECONFERENCE),   CHIEF                                                                   
FINANCIAL  OFFICER, FAIRBANKS  NORTH STAR BOROUGH,  testified                                                                   
in  opposition to  Sections 1  and  24.   He maintained  that                                                                   
administrative  plans would  take time  and funding  that the                                                                   
State does not have.  He stated  that the administrator could                                                                   
take funds  without due  process.   The language claims  that                                                                   
the  administrator can  take other  government funds  without                                                                   
due  process.   He  maintained  that an  administrator  could                                                                   
interrupt  a government's  revenue stream;  he asserted  that                                                                   
the bill  is too  "heavy handed"  & would  lead to  financial                                                                   
destabilization of local governments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Lamb    addressed   Sections   72-74,    dealing   with                                                                   
terminations.   He  encouraged scrutiny  of language  calling                                                                   
for unlimited  termination costs extracted from  an employer.                                                                   
He added  that deadlines also  need scrutiny, to  prevent the                                                                   
abuse  without preventing  all good  and bad  changes to  the                                                                   
system.    He stated  that  the  bill proposes  far  reaching                                                                   
changes & policy determinations.   Mr. Lamb cautioned against                                                                   
pitting boroughs against the cities within its boundary.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:20:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  commented  on  the  "intercept".    He                                                                   
questioned what  would happen if  a single rate  was accepted                                                                   
and  someone  did  not  pay  in.     He  wondered  about  the                                                                   
difficulty  of providing proof.   Mr.  Lamb noted that  there                                                                   
are two  issues, pointing to  the termination  sections which                                                                   
apply.  If a rate were set at  22%, anything above the normal                                                                   
cost  rate would  not  be the  responsibility  of the  member                                                                   
employers.  The  question is, should the language  be applied                                                                   
to  all  possibilities.    He  thought  it  should  not,  but                                                                   
instead, due  process.  He  questioned justification  of 22%.                                                                   
There are  few communities  that have not  paid the  rate put                                                                   
forth  by the State.   He  noted concern  that conflict  will                                                                   
happen; the language needs to be more specific.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:26:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Kreitzer knew that  there were provisions in the                                                                   
legislation that  the municipalities  would not like  such as                                                                   
the intercept  funds.   The State  already  does that,  if an                                                                   
employer  does not  pay their  unemployment  insurance.   She                                                                   
observed  that the  legislation  is not  intended  to be  the                                                                   
State going  after someone's mortgage.   She offered  to have                                                                   
someone from the Department address  due process.  When money                                                                   
is due, there is a long process  of letters and communication                                                                   
before the  State takes  other recourse.   The State  can sue                                                                   
the  community,  but the  legislation  does allow  a  payment                                                                 
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice  Chair  Stoltze  appreciated   the  constructive  "tone"                                                                   
voiced  by the  Fairbanks  testimony.   He  commented on  the                                                                   
unhealthy approach taken by the Alaska Municipal League.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE:       3:28:40 PM                                                                                                     
RECONVENED:    3:40:03 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC TESTIMONY CLOSED                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Kreitzer  addressed  the  fiscal  notes.    She                                                                   
pointed out  the new  note request  (4/13/07), FY08  for $108                                                                   
thousand  dollars, which  will cover  programming costs.   It                                                                   
would  be the  same for  FY09, split  among PERS,  TRS &  the                                                                   
Judicial Retirement System (JRS).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Nelson asked  if a person  was on  disability                                                                   
coverage  as a Tier  4 employee,  would they  be eligible  to                                                                   
receive  health  insurance.   Ms.  Lea  explained that  a  DC                                                                   
employee   does  not   have   medical  insurance   while   on                                                                   
disability.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster MOVED to  REPORT CS SB 123 (FIN) out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HCS CS SB 123 (FIN) was reported  out of Committee with a "do                                                                   
pass"  recommendation  and with  a  new  fiscal note  by  the                                                                   
Department  of   Administration  and   a  zero  note   #2  by                                                                   
Department of Administration.                                                                                                   

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